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== Proposed site ban for User:Marrovi ==
{{engflag}} ''I apologize for writing this in English, but I wish my reasoning to be clear.''
I take this step reluctantly. But I am going to propose that Marrovi be banned from Vikipedya. That ban would be enforced by an indefinite block, and can be appealed after one year.
I have long given Marrovi the benefit of the doubt. I think he is an honorable person. I think he has tried hard to learn Judeo-Spanish, and to contribute here to the best of his ability. He has not violated the limitation we placed on him as to how frequently he can create new pages. And as he claims crypto-Jewish ancestry, at a certain point this should be a community that is open to him and that welcomes him. Still, at the end of the day, if I had to summarize the problem with Marrovi briefly, it would be that
<blockquote>Marrovi is simply too high-maintenance for us here. It takes too much work to keep his contributions acceptable.
And we do not have sufficient editor resources to do that work properly.</blockquote>
Marrovi just avoided a global ban on substantially these grounds a little over a year ago. (See [[:m:Requests for comment/Global ban for user Marrovi]].) At that, the global ban was avoided because individual wikis were handling things locally, usually by individual blocks or bans. I can tell you that Stewards and similarly experienced Wikimedians have told me privately that I/we have been, perhaps, too patient, and that Marrovi's edits were blockworthy as being disruptive to the community.
We have recently had discussions on the [[:incubator:Category talk:Incubator:Nahuatl languages|Wikimedia Incubator]] about Marrovi's contributions to Nahuatl-language test projects. And it has become clear to me that at the end of the day, there is still something Marrovi doesn't understand about contributing here on Wikimedia projects like Vikipedya or Incubator:
*''These are collaborative projects, and it is not enough for contributions to be correct. They must also be accepted by community consensus. But the community doesn't want to spend <u>all</u> of its time determining consensus on one person's contributions, especially when it finds so many substantial mistakes. When a community is in that kind of situation, the project becomes a less pleasant place to contribute, and people leave. ''
It is this, more than anything else, that leads me to this proposal. I think the poor quality of much of Vikipedya—we have over 2,300 stubs—has made prospective contributors reluctant to come here. And while Marrovi has contributed some good material, much more of the material is poor, or consists only of stubs. On the whole, I think he has been a negative to the project. I think it is time that Vikipedya moves on, cleans up, and tries to bring some new contributors in to improve the project.
I would add one other point. If we had a larger community here already—one where there were sufficient contributors fluent in Judeo-Spanish to keep an eye on Marrovi's contributions—I could justify continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If, in one year, or three, or five, we have that type of larger contributor community, we can consider whether or not it is reasonable to lift this ban. But until and unless that happens, I don't think we can afford him here any more.
Sadly and reluctantly,
[[Usador:StevenJ81|StevenJ81]] ([[Messaje de Usador:StevenJ81|discusión]]) • 26 Nissán 5778 • 17:52 11 abr 2018 (UTC)
===Response from Marrovi===